Tim shares about a vision that completely reframed his understanding of success: what if the way up in the Kingdom of God is actually down? He shares with Lisa on the temptation to chase influence, status and recognition, and the invitation to choose humility instead. Because Jesus isn’t found at the top of the ladder, but at the feet of those who choose the lower way.

"Tim Ross is a preacher, social media influencer, author, and host of ‘The Basement Podcast’ based in Dallas, Texas. Born in Inglewood, California, he gave his life to Jesus in 1996 and began preaching shortly after. Tim is married to Juliette and has two sons, Nathan and Noah. Lisa Sunshine Jennett is a Texas-based Christian author, landscaper of 25+ years, and a joyfully quirky storyteller with a big love for people and even bigger love for Jesus. She lives in Texas with her husband, Tank, and together they’ve built a lively tribe of six kids and a whole crowd of grandkids she proudly calls her own natural wonders of the world. Her memoir, When I Last Saw Me reflects her heart and story of freedom from her past and how we can step into our true identity in Christ."